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December 29, 2009
Posted by Ryan Graves

When an algorithm won’t cut it

Most people know that Google’s precious search algorithm is a secret, sacred, thing that they’ve worked very hard to protect. In fact their behavior around that algorithm has been similar to Golum’s behavior towards his “precious” ring. You know, the one that will ‘rule them all’. This algorithm and others allow Google to provide very focused advertising based on your search terms.

In computing, an algorithm is an effective method for solving a problem using a finite sequence of instructions.

However, the way I see it, their dominance in providing web advertising using the “precious”, all machine, set of instruction won’t last forever. There are human powered systems that can adjust quickly for variables, change over time, and become increasingly “sharp” as they learn. Simply, they can learn better than just a computer. A great example of this type of human powered system is a NYC based startup Hunch. Effectively, they’ve created a system where they can collect an infinite number of decision trees, all generated by humans, and then predict future decisions based on passed decision sequences.

So, what am I getting at? Well, as you know I’ve been working closely in the local advertising space through my work with Foursquare and I can’t stop thinking about how large of an opportunity this is. If a bar or restaurant can advertise directly to the folks driving by as they’re deciding where to eat, that’s better than any billboard, radio spot, newspaper clip, full page magazine add, event sponsorship, Adsense ad in my Gmail or Google search, and I could go on… It’s simply the best possible advert you could get, as an advertiser or a consumer, unless I’m missing something. Here’s an example, when companies spend money on other ‘focused’ internet advertising they pay for say 100 impressions. This means that 100 people saw that ad, and the common click-through rate is about 1/100, even on the ‘focused’ ads. Now, what if you were able to directly reach potential customers who frequent your ‘type’ of establishment, fall within a very specific demographic, and only if they’re walking distance from your location!!! Right now you’re saying, “WTF are you serious…”, and I am.

With the blowing up of location based services like Foursquare, Loopt, Brightkite and a few others, this sort of data is readily available. People are using these services to share their location, their purchase preferences, their unfiltered thoughts about almost everything they do and businesses can learn A LOT from that. Now you see why all these nerds (me) get excited about data; because you can change the world with it. With this data you can turn industries upside down, and the ability to reach consumers in this intimate way is one of those opportunities.

It’s all a matter of who can reach the masses, who can create a product intuitive enough for “Joe the Plumber” to use. Google’s Adsense technology is fairly simple, but still local businesses don’t use it. The potential for human powered mobile, local, advertising is in the words of Austin Powers, “dead sexy”. My mouth is literally watering. I can’t wait to be a part of this movement.

Update: This post is going to be syndicated, and I made some additions/updates for that reason. 1/5/10

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If a jewel falls into the mire, it remains as precious as before; and though dust should ascend to heaven, its former worthlessness will not be altered.

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Almost exactly what you're describing is possible with Foursquare today, as long as a good # of venues are running specials...I think it's just a matter of time. I love the word 'bark' in your example. Like a friendly pup trying to get your attention to warn you of something nearby.

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The near future! (without a doubt) If a gps app, yelp, & foursq could look at each other and get permission to bark a suggestion at you (based on your preferences - ratings, categories, etc), and each suggestion was pay-per-bark - we have a new marketing king. Picture it: "honey, lets go for a walk after work..... Oh gees, I'm getting hungry, lets turn on the yelp-barks app. It barked that theres a sushi restaurant right around the corner that got good reviews and is in the $ (inexpensive) category. Lets go!" You get to a restaurant and put in the coupon code yelp-barks gave you and score 5% off. (Thats why you use the app, every restaurant that advertises on their gives 5% off) Click advertising expense is incurred by sushi restaurant when the coupon code is accessed.

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well they are very much focused on it a half billion for Yelp is proof of that

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Thanks for dropping by Fred. I have a suspicion that the lower hanging fruit -- location based advertising -- that Google doesn't have control over, is a huge opportunity if approached correctly. Foursquare, FB, and other location based services will provide the chance to take advantage of where Google drops off.

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i suspect google's dominance in web search will remain in place for a long time, but we'll lose web search less as other methods develop. facebook, twitter, and foursquare are three that are interesting.

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What would you be willing to pay for a perfectly targeted ad placement (ie location oriented, personality oriented, and context oriented)? A whole lot. I think the convergence of personal social information (via Twitter and facebook) and geolocation info (via foursquare) will produce some incredible ad opportunities. And push ad prices closer to, if not above tradition ad prices. I agree this opportunity is worth salivating over.

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I agree, that situation is definitely still valid. And, to be clear, I'm not talking about Foursquare specifically in this post, I'm merely pontificating the potential of advertising to change because of the data that is now available to us. There are definitely challenges that remain, there always will be, but I think that we're seeing an opportunity to make ads relevant like they've never been before. Not only can we target the right people, but we can now target when and where to target them...

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I get the fact that you can blast an ad if someone is driving by. But then, a sign outside your shop could do that too. I get the idea that you might be able to lure foot-traffic, but again you have windows too. What about getting people to plan on going to restaurant X while they're still at home? Does 4sq deal with that at all? If not, that's OK of course, but it would be wrong to say that trying to reach people in that situation is now invalid.

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Fred wrote an interesting post today about Google algorith...a good anecdote to this post. http://www.avc.com/a_vc/2009/12/people-first-ma...

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